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Eight Forty-Eight 7/3/2008
Two Sides of Jesus People USA




 
 
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The side yard of JPUSA's main residence, The Friendly Towers (Photo by Beverly Wooding)

In the 1960s, a group of people traveled the country in a bright red bus with the name Jesus on the side. Jesus People USA, or JPUSA, preached the gospel as they went. Legend says their bus broke down in Chicago in 1972. They took it as a sign and never left. Now, more than 300 members live together in a 10-story commune. This weekend they celebrate the 25th anniversary of their famous Christian rock festival, Cornerstone. Shannon Heffernan stayed in their Uptown co-op, Friendly Towers, for four days to try and understand the people behind the music.

It’s 10:00 on a Thursday night, and in Uptown a group of pierced and punky young adults sit around a table. They’re talking about what many people would expect: crushes, dating, who likes who. But soon it becomes clear something’s different.

DORA: I started out with a relationship uhhh… about 4 or 5 months ago, and  uhh… it was really hard cause the council was like we just want you to wait. The  council met about us. And that’s what they said. And we were okay with it, so

The council is a group of eight Elders who run the JPUSA community.

PHILLP: I’ve had friends that pursued the relationship without the council’s approval and they ended up getting kicked out.

JOSH: If the council says its not a good idea than its probably not a good idea.

JPUSA is not only a part of members dating choices, but of every aspect of their lives. Some of the young people just graduated from the JPUSA high school. Others work at JPUSA businesses, like a roofing supply company or at the homeless shelters. The community even has its own vocabulary. Like a “ding” is something on TV that is too explicit for you to hear. It got its name because members say, “Ding, Ding, Ding” so you can’t hear the bad parts. Or if you do something un-godly, like loose your temper, you might say you were “in the flesh.”

The young group at the table says they like the close community.  But that wasn’t the case for Luke, who moved in more than two decades ago, when he was 18. He hesitates to talk about his experience because the memories of punishments like adult spankings give him nightmares.

LUKE: They would take you into a room and they would tell you what your offense was. Then the they would ask you to take down your pants and they would beat you with a dowel rod. They they would pray with you about your problem and send you off.

Adult spankings haven’t happened in the community for years. And many of the strict rules such as women wearing ankle length skirts have faded. But the community is still run by the strong leadership of the council. Elder Tom Cameron stresses he doesn’t receive special benefits and lives in the same kind of dorm-like room as everyone else. Still, Cameron doesn’t deny they hold a certain amount of power.

TOM: Probably to the outside world, I understand why it controversial to them, is that it’s not a democracy kind of thing. But a lot of times people try to apply the  rubric of democracy to things it doesn’t work in, that it doesn’t really count for.  This is one of those things. My job here as a leader I could only do by calling I  could only do  it by calling. It’s too much pressure, its too much everything.
HEFFERNAN: But who calls you?
TOM: What do you mean?
HEFFERNAN: Who calls you to be a leader?
TOM: Oh, God.

Rebbeca Hill, a long time JPUSA member, knows there’s skepticism. She sees the face some make when they hear this story.

REBECCA: We used to call it the “Oh my God they’re in a cult face.”

She’s seen it a lot. But she says this isn’t a group of people who blindly follow the rules. She points out members with died hair and tattoos and tells me it’s actually a rebellious group. They choose to now follow the rules, because many of them are coming from abuse and drug addiction. They want structure.

REBECCA: What sort of person gives up everything to live here? It would just makes sense that a good number of us, not all of us, but a good number of us  were at some desperate point when came here
HEFFERNAN: Why would this appeal to someone in that state?
REBECCA: Probably for the same reason that gangs appeal to people. This is a  family.

And for her it does seem like a family. She has one Autistic son and two others with a blood disorder. And her JPUSA family helps her. Sometimes when she comes home from the hospital she will discover someone has done all her laundry.

Like other households, everyone in JPUSA shares the same bank account.  If a member needs something, like new clothes, they have to go to the money office to request it. Everyone leads simple lives because they believe anything extra should go to the poor.

Luke liked this idea of sharing with the poor. But he didn’t like the idea of other people deciding what he should buy. He recalls not being allowed to buy a pair of shoes after his old ones wore out, even though he needed them for his job as a mover.

LUKE: In their eyes I could never mature. That’s the way I felt. I could never  have any thoughts that came from the Lord. Only they could have thoughts that  came from the lord. You know?  And they knew better than me what was good  for me.
HEFFERNAN: Did you learn anything from being there?
LUKE: Oh, yeah
HEFFERNAN: What?
LUKE: I learned to love.
HEFFERNAN: How did you learn to love from the experience?
LUKE: I learned what it means to forgive. They were the only family I knew. And they treated me so badly and I still liked them.
HEFFERNAN: And is that still true, do you still love them do you think?LUKE: I mean, I don’t love them enough to go and talk to them.

Everyone who talks about JPUSA compares it to family. For some, like Luke, it’s abusive and stifling. For others, like Rebecca, it’s a family of love and support. For both of them, it is a place they think will have influenced their lives forever.

For Eight Forty-Eight, on Chicago Public Radio, I’m Shannon Heffernan.

Leave a comment
Eric Pement, North Park // Thursday, July 03, 2008 @ 9:56 PM

I joined the JPUSA community 32 years ago and lived there full-time for 24 years. For me, it was a good experience and Luke even helped me in many ways. I matured spiritually, I learned how to care about people I would otherwise have ignored, and I made a lot of cool, radical friends I would never have had the chance to meet living in my isolated world. They helped me grow as a Christian leader, a husband, and a human being.

Another former member, Chicago // Friday, July 04, 2008 @ 9:44 AM

As a public radio junkie, it was a rush to hear a story on my old home. Too bad Shannon didn't cover more about the money and the Council. If you "follow the money," you'll find an ugly story of Council leaders with perpetual terms, concentrated power, no accountabilities, secret and unaudited financial records, and members that are given no health insurance by the Council leaders who oversee the commune's multi-million dollar businesses and properties. With all that money, it's ironic you'll find community members going to City health clinics for the poor & getting medical care through Medicaid. Did you know every baby born there through the 80s & 90s was Medicaid baby? (I can't speak for today, but I suspect they still do this). And the Illinois Department of Public Aid (i.e. taxpayers) picked up the tab for a lot more than just births.... Next time you visit, Shannon, ask some questions in the "Money Office" about how the leaders come up with the magic number each of the members put on their IRS forms each April. In fact, next time you visit, ask some old timers there about the old days--or decades--when each member simply signed their IRS forms, no questions asked.

charlax, Arizona // Monday, July 07, 2008 @ 2:31 PM

Judge the Golden Rule not the Golden Calf spend some time in someones moccosins before you rule them then GUIDE them with your love having walked where they are now

Mark Scheiderer, Ohio // Monday, July 07, 2008 @ 7:45 PM

Eric and Barbara's marriage was arranged by the JPUSA leadership. Eric is one of JPUSA's two staunchest defenders/apologists, the other being Jon Trott, who still lives at JPUSA. Eric is vice-president of Evangelical Ministries to New Religions (EMNR), a counter-cult group. How ironic. He is simply a part of EMNR to do "spin" for a cult. Trott will probably show up soon, as his main job at JPUSA is to troll the internet for anything negative about JPUSA, so he can try to put a positive spin on things. JPUSA is basically despised by its neighbors because of an arrogant leadership that ignores laws and is affiliated with Alderwoman Helen Shiller.

grover, uptown // Tuesday, July 08, 2008 @ 10:49 AM

really, the functioning of JPUSA is more organically anarchistic then anything else. it's interesting that the negative sides of the community that most folks bring up are all 20 or so years old. a lot changes over time.

Captain Metaphor, Nashville // Tuesday, July 08, 2008 @ 11:49 AM

Ah yes, called by God. What a lovely little statement. After all, anyone “Called by God” MUST be doing God’s will and is above question. What better way to appoint yourself as leader for life! Vote for Tom Cameron? John Herrin? Dawn Herrin? Or any other of the fiendish 8? Of course not! They are appointed by God. One dares not imply otherwise, it would be against God’s will. But being a “leader” is hard work. All those late night hours manipulating the lives of other community members. Who can speak to whom? Who can date who? What job should so and so be forced to perform? Which sexual positions are to be deemed permissible and which are to be forbidden? How should the money be spent? Being Called by God means that you know best! A Boat? A new truck? Who needs a special bank account? Just allocate the funds as you see fit. God told you so! Such thankless effort. Oh, who can understand what a cross the Elders have to bear? . They should be pitied and prayed for. It’s hard work thinking for those under your control. Just dispense with the formalities and go ahead and yourself God. You already are doing his job.

Carrie, WBEZ // Tuesday, July 08, 2008 @ 1:00 PM

Hi All- Please review the guidelines before posting comments. While the comment section is meant to foster conversation and feedback, it's not an arena for personal attack. Thank you.

ESCAPEE, LAND OF THE FREE // Tuesday, July 08, 2008 @ 2:00 PM

Be forwarned The moderator of this page has chosen to delete numerous posts which have attempted to bring to light serious crimes and offences comitted by this group (JPUSA)

Andrew, WBEZ // Tuesday, July 08, 2008 @ 2:32 PM

ESCAPEE, you'll notice we have posted guidelines for all our comments. Discussion and debate are strongly encouraged, only comments that clearly violate our guidelines are removed.

grover, uptown // Tuesday, July 08, 2008 @ 2:58 PM

well, Jesus said we should judge a tree by it's fruit. Sure, some folks have had good experiences and some have had bad experiences. But what is the overall influence and impact on society and in individual lives? No organization, group, or individual is perfect. we all make mistakes. But what is the overall trajectory? one of love, or something else?

Josh Andrews, Chicago Public Radio // Tuesday, July 08, 2008 @ 4:35 PM

Hey folks, we have had to delete a number of comments on this thread today. I realize there are a lot of passionate feelings surrounding this story, but we do need to ask a number of you to moderate your language and wording. We cannot allow for serious accusations to be thrown around without any evidence. Your feedback remains valuable to the discussion and I hope you will consider reposting your ideas, but in a more respectful manner to this forum. We will continue to delete comments that could be considered libelous. Thanks

Mark Scheiderer, Ohio // Tuesday, July 08, 2008 @ 5:01 PM

I think this falls within the guidelines: Google "JPUSA" and click on the link to a site - on either page one or two of the search results - designed to provide helpful info for ex-JPUSA's. The site has LOTS of info on JPUSA by ex-members, cult experts and the media, including a Chicago newspaper. People that have left JPUSA have told me personally that ex-JPUSA discussion boards are blocked on JPUSA computers, due to the leadership's decision. The leaders not only squelch dissent, but they limit and control information access, which are two of the signs of a cult.

Anonymous, uptown // Wednesday, July 09, 2008 @ 6:59 AM

I smell scientologists

Jon, Uptown // Wednesday, July 09, 2008 @ 9:58 AM

Living just 2 blocks away from them, I can tell you the neighborhood is now VERY aware that they constantly cross the line for a non-profit in terms of their political ambitions, particularly in regards to Alderman Shiller, for which they are a base for her. We look forward to making sure any and all political overtures are taken to court from this point forward and challenging their tax exempt status

escapee, galt's gulch // Wednesday, July 09, 2008 @ 10:52 AM

Let’s try it this way: Imagine that you lived in a place where rape, incest, and child molestation have taken place. How could you justify to yourself, keeping silent? Pretend for a moment, that those actions were then never reported to the legal authorities. In fact, pretend that you were told by the powers trying to cover up these actions from the legal authorities (and your fellow members) that you should just forgive and forget. Would it trouble you? Would it trouble you if in this imaginary place a large number of your friends and companions suddenly left for reasons you were not allowed to inquire? Now imagine that all these things took place in a closed society. A society which an outsider would have a hard time understanding because it has with its own government, language, mythology and even financial system. Finally, imagine that this society’s ethic is built upon the assumption that it is “called by God”. If you lived in such a place for say, 10, 20 or even 30 years, wouldn’t your perception of what’s right and wrong become altered? If you resided in a place in which the survival of the institution / family business was put above everything else, wouldn’t you see things differently? Wouldn’t you try to justify the bad by pointing out the good? Given time, you stop seeing things the bad altogether. Eventually you might even find safety in your deceit by telling yourself that “Things work differently here” or “Others just can’t understand us”.

bacon is life, uptown // Wednesday, July 09, 2008 @ 1:27 PM

I've lived at jpusa twice. I have never felt controlled either time. It's more comparable to a small town. People get their info from rumors and preconceived notions. And sometimes there isn't a perfect idea of equality. But in the end it all gets worked out. For the first time in my life I have a family. That's what matters most.

Captain Metaphor, Nashville // Wednesday, July 09, 2008 @ 2:57 PM

I agree. It is like a small town. A small town in French Guyana named Jonestown.

Jon Trott, Uptown, Chicago // Tuesday, July 15, 2008 @ 11:57 AM

It is sad to see a pre-fab "one size fits all" template -- the same predictable template used on almost all communal groups over the years -- applied to JPUSA by WBEZ. Sociologists of Religion are ignored in this report, as are other scholars, as is the fact that we are members of a respected denomination, the Evangelical Covenant Church (North Park University and Seminary, Chicago) to which we are accountable. Re the "adult spankings," this teaching was adopted because of our attempts NOT to become sectarian. We reached out to another, older community (Daystar) led by one Jack Winters, and it was he who suggested in the mid-1970s that as a part of healing the inner child some adults needed to experience loving discipline. We looked up to him at the time as an older leader (our average ages then were around 18 to 20), and for around 2 years adopted this teaching. It ended in 1978 to the best of my recollection, and was indeed an error in judgement. It was not, however, ever a "secret" or hidden thing, and to my knowledge no one was ever forced by leadership to endure such a thing. We abandoned it for the obvious reasons: it didn't help anyone and it didn't have any clear biblical or historical rooting to it. As an interesting footnote, the adult spanking business has not been among complaints lodged by most unhappy former members; most of them weren't even here when it was practiced, and those who were had other complaints. Some of the alleged sins of JPUSA hinted at in this response section I won't even bother responding to -- the very fact such lies were aired here is disgusting and depressing. The poster making some of those allegations is a viral poster with no historic connection whatever to JPUSA, and whom even former JPUSA members angry with us rejected years ago from their web site. Re me being the "official" responder or damage control guy, anyone who knows me would find that concept fairly hilarious. My tats and piercings and general lack of decorum make me ill-suited for that 3-piece suit role. Oh, we didn't travel in a bus in the 1960s. We didn't even exist in the 1960s (a bit of homework would have done wonders for this piece!). We started in 1972. A big picture of things might start here: Most communal groups fail, or turn inward upon themselves. We have since 1972 endeavored to live lives which are about loving our neighbor and our God. Never have we held "secret" teachings; our identity is transparent. Our faults are fairly transparent as well... and we mean them to be. When Tom said (in one of those sound bites reminiscent of what was done to Jeremiah Wright) that "God" called him, he in no way, shape, or form said or meant that he is called to BE God's voice in place of other JPUSA members' own consciences before God. Even rudimentary Protestant theology says that each person stands before Christ directly, and does not require a human intermediary to do the speaking for Christ. This is balanced, however, by our both/and need for community, to hear and see Jesus in others and through others. Tom is a pastor here, and I am not. Yet he can and probably has encountered Jesus directly through me (likely without me even knowing it), just as I have through his example or words. This models not a one-way guru to disciple motif, but rather a two-way mutuality in which neither person has any ultimate say-so over the other. We do, like all organizations and families and churches, have certain "house rules" by which we believe the greatest amount of mutual growth and fulfilment of our mission to the poor and our neighbor will be done. If someone within the community cannot function under some of these rules, it may be best for them to go elsewhere. We do not claim, however, that such "house rules" are equivalent to being God-breathed. Rather, not all the folks who come to be with us are meant to stay with us for long periods. And we are glad to see them find their own way, just as we are trying to find our own way individually and as a community. I invite anyone who would like to aid us in our extensive shelter program for homeless women and children, to come and get involved. Attend a church service with us, held at 920 W. Wilson 10 AM on Sundays. Get to know a few JPUSA folks. We do indeed live in a commune. Many of us are quite progressive politically on both the local and national scenes (and have repeatedly been hammered for that fact by some of the posters here). My personal blog space erratically posted to but fairly extensive, offers a window into one JPUSAn's thoughts on social matters (and is often a bit of an Obama advertisement, so be warned). Like everything else I and we do, it is imperfect. And I, along with fellow JPUSAs, continue to work on that. Again, this is not an official response from anyone. It is one JPUSA member (here since 1977) offering his own take on things. I have, as a writer, done exposes on "Christian leaders" such as Mike Warnke, Lauren Stratford, and others. The Mike Warnke articles became a book, "Selling Satan: Mike Warnke and the Evangelical Media", co-authored by JPUSA member Mike Hertenstein and myself. I have also written elsewhere, including in a sociology work including Andrew Greeley and edited by Anson Shupe, "Bad Pastors." Blessings, Jon Trott

Jon Trott, Uptown, Chicago // Tuesday, July 15, 2008 @ 12:04 PM

Argh. Sorry about the lack of paragraphs!

Luke // Wednesday, July 16, 2008 @ 10:07 PM

Jon Trott said: "It ended in 1978 to the best of my recollection, and was indeed an error in judgement. It was not, however, ever a "secret" or hidden thing, and to my knowledge no one was ever forced by leadership to endure such a thing. We abandoned it for the obvious reasons: it didn't help anyone and it didn't have any clear biblical or historical rooting to it." Jon, this is Luke from the radio interview and also some one you used to know about 27 or more years ago as Luca. I don't believe you were even there during the time of the spankings or Daystar. First off, I want to mention that the spankings came and went in a short period of time. They happened, so did many other disasters, and then they were gone. One thing I do know having experienced how things were done back then and having experienced the spankings is that they were not voluntary. If the elder felt you needed them, you got them. Oh sure, I could have said no way, but then I would have to face being kicked out of the ministry or some other punishment. This was not voluntary. There was always this underlying "submit or split" thing going on. If you didn't want to split, you'd have to do it. From the beginning in 1973 when I joined is I was told that I needed to be there and if I left JPUSA, I would never be able to maintain my Christianity in the world. I was given the idea that I must be there to be saved and it was the only way. So saying no to the spankings would be a spiritual suicide. When the spankings were presented to me, there was no way out. Now if you think I'm telling lies here, I will mention the names of the elders made me feel like I needed JPUSA to be saved. The other thing I want to say is that I was told by an elders wife that the spankings were stopped because this spanking thing that "wasn't a secret" had gotten out and even the newspapers knew about it and they had to stop the spankings because they didn't want the bad publicity. Now still today, I like the person who told me, but if you keep on insisting it was stopped for any other reason than what I've told you here, I may have to mention her name and I really would rather not do that. Listen, Jon, I've always liked you, but I can't listen to you lie for JPUSA. Of course you weren't there yet so you may not know your "facts" are lies they've told you. If you're interested, we can have a little phone chat and I can tell you all the dirty little secrets of the '70's at JPUSA. I think it would be fun.

Jon Trott, Uptown, Chicago // Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 8:08 AM

Luca / Luke, Wow, I have nothing but fond memories of you back at Paulina house -- the giant water fight the entire community had one summer day, where you kept getting other people but slipping away yourself... until the end when you really got it? Ha. And yes, I was there in the 1970s, joining January 16 (or 17) 1977. And I myself "experienced" the spanking deal -- minus the bit with the pants down (which I never saw or heard of). It was a stupid idea, but as I said earlier, came from our attempts to learn from others older and outside our community. As Kurt Vonnegut used to say, "So it goes." We did, though, share what we were doing publicly. I know for a fact that, for instance, this was brought up in a meeting of various intentional Christian communities in Chicago (including Reba Place Fellowship, Austin community, and three or four others whose names escape me). Those communities talked about things they'd tried and abandoned along similar lines -- I personally think one has to go back and study the 70s to understand how wild some of even secular therapeutic practice was at that time. I do think we have a fundamental disagreement re a few things you mention. I don't *ever*, in my 31 and counting years at JPUSA, recall hearing a pastor here say "you need JPUSA to be saved." I do know that over the years our early-on idea that we were all "in this for life together" had to be moderated. You may or may not know that these days JPUSA encourages people to make short commitments (of 1 year to 5 years, but usually the lesser numbers), and that even those commitments are entirely the bailiwick of the individual if they change their mind. If a pastor's wife said to you we stopped "due to bad publicity," she was wrong. Don't you recall the community gathering where Glenn announced we were stopping the practice because it had so little biblical rooting, and because people had begun to use it as a sort of "work-based penance" attempt at salvation. Again, we talked with other communities about this, and very nearly at one point wrote about it in our Cornerstone magazine. In fact, later on I myself did write about it in Cornerstone as the strangest mistake JPUSA has probably ever made. I am sorry you have such sad / bad memories of JPUSA. Personally, I'd welcome a visit from you if you ever feel like coming over. I think the legitimate question you really raise is did we or did we not learn from our error 30 years ago? In my earnest understanding, as a long-time JPUSA member, I have very, very rarely seen a pastor here overstep into being overly authoritarian, and perhaps even more importantly, when any of them do it usually works out badly (thus offers a self-corrective of a very pragmatic nature!). What JPUSA was as a five year old community (when the adult spanking mess ended), and what it is like now as a thirty-five year old community involved heavily in interaction with the rest of the church and with the surrounding culture, are two very different things. Intentional communities, like individuals, are organic. They grow organically, or die. We, hopefully, have grown, just as I am sure you, Luca, have grown and changed and discovered so much more since your time with us those years ago. Blessings, Jon Trott

Mark Scheiderer, Ohio // Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 11:30 AM

Luca/Luke- I hate to tell you what to do since we are both ex-cultists, but I would STRONGLY recommend that you don't meet with Trott. He'll just try to pacify you and/or set up something with one of the leadertwits. You're spilling your guts and they'll do ANYTHING to pacify you into silence. His line near the end of his post about JPUSA being "hevily in interaction with the rest of the church and ....surrounding culture" is total garbage. Just do an internal site search at Uptown Update and read the comments by JPUSA's own neighbors! Overall, most of their neighbors DESPISE THEM!!

Luke // Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 12:55 PM

Jon, In the beginning, there was one elder in particular who actually was a deacon back then in 1973 who said to me on a number of occasions that I needed Jesus People to stay saved. Two other elders who again were only deacons back then said it to me as well but they only on one occasion that I can remember. I was a child back then. Sure, legally an adult but child like, believing my elders and deacons, taking in every word as gospel. I'm sure this is one of their mistakes they have grown out of but at the time, that was the way it was. I kept that belief until I was gone. I wondered how I would stay saved when I was gone. I managed. Sure, I've done my share of backsliding, and the leadership did send me to a community church in Florida where the members believe you cannot backslide out of salvation. Yes, once saved, always saved. I don't believe that and I let them know I didn't believe that when I was there. I digress. The point I was making is that I don't and am not able to believe that receiving the spankings was ever voluntary. You had to get it or the next morning, the counsel was going to talk about where to send you off to. About the "pants down" thing, the first time I was getting the spanking, I was asked to take down pants. I took down my pants and my underwear and they spanked me butt naked. The second time I was spanked, Glenn told me to take down just my pants and leave my underwear on. I don't remember how many spankings I had gotten but they were all pants down. The first time was my misunderstanding. Perhaps by the time you got a spanking, they changed the procedure. I don't know, because after several spankings, I stopped confessing my sin to anyone but Jesus. Yes, I remember when Glenn said his stuff about the spankings at the body meeting. When I was told the other story by his wife, (Oopps!), her story was believable to me. This was not the first time the counsel tried to squelch bad publicity. So, I'll admit, perhaps it was a little Glenn's story and a little her story. I don't see it as entirely unbelievable that Glenn's story was a viable and well thought out justification and perhaps even true after the fact. I just don't see her making this story up. If it wasn't true, her telling of it would get her in so much trouble. Granted, a little trouble for blabbing it, but a whole world of trouble if it weren't true. I don't think she'd do that. Jon, I'm talking to you as a friend. You can never know what my experience was unless you can believe me. Jon, I was a little jealous of you. After you came into the min, your were their little angel. They took you under their wing and they raised you up. They gave you much responsibility and you flourished. They never did that with me. They gave me the worst buddies starting out. I went through two buddies that both split the min while I was their buddy. They took me off the buddy system probably because they were afraid I'd scare another one off. Or perhaps the counsel was using me to purge out unwanted disciples. After the buddy system I was given no responsibilities. From the time I joined until the time I became a mover, they gave me a dish towel and told me to have at it. You and I lived two very different lives at JPUSA. You were favored right from the jump and I don't really remember ever being favored. And that is really too bad. I had alot of energy and alot of chutzpah and I could have been doing great work for them. I don't know why they didn't take me under their wing. Eventually, they sent me away. I still don't know the reason. Some baloney about, I stopped growing in the lord and I needed a change. Well, after living quite a few different places in the United States, I've finally settled in a very small town in southwest Minnesota. This town is so small, you have to leave town to change your mind. They recently had the whole town carpeted. Just kidding. It's a small place but we managed to get DSL. But I don't have to worry about anything anymore. I'm retired/disabled. My landlord is also my roommate and all he wants is that I pay the satellite bill and do the cooking and the dish washing. I know, but we have an electric dishwasher. I have two dogs that show me unconditional love. I'm growing tomatoes and green peppers in my garden. I can leave the doors unlocked on the house and on the cars and not worry. My tricycle is in the driveway and it keeps being there unlocked every morning when I go check the mail. It was a bumpy ride but this is how my life was supposed to turn out. I don't know how soon I'll be visiting Chicago again although I am thinking about next spring. My parents have passed away and my brother is living here as well. He had a stroke 2 years ago so he's here and he's the only family I have left. He's a cantankerous old poot so we hide him in the attic. I'm kidding. He's allowed to come down stairs. At least until we build him a bathroom. So I admit I have some resentments about what happened to me at Jesus People, but my life turned out good in spite of them. Jon, I would like to know who started the rumor that I was dead? Also, who perpetuated the rumor with the addendum that my demise was from AIDS? Also, did I get the AIDS from unprotected sex, intravenous drug use or from using the toilet after Magic Johnson? Put out some feelers, see if you come up with something. To quote Spamalot: I am not dead yet, I can dance and I can sing, I am not dead yet, I can do the Highland Fling, I am not dead yet, No need to go to bed, No need to call the doctor, Cause I'm not yet dead.

ESCAPEE, Galt's Gulch // Thursday, July 17, 2008 @ 9:22 PM

HUNDREDS of ex-JPUSA members have voiced concerns, complaints and allegations against JPUSA and its leaders. Seeking to negate these voices by calling it a “template” is all too predicable. The Holocaust deniers employ the same tactic: -everyone is lying- The saddest commentary of all is that Mr. Trott truly believes his perspective and is unable to see otherwise.

nearby resident, Uptown // Sunday, July 20, 2008 @ 9:56 AM

Where there's smoke, there's fire. I see lots of smoke. Jon Trott has a lousy reputation in the neighborhood as being very judgmental of residents who have expressed concerns about the high rate of crime occurring in and around the 3 shelters JPUSA has on one block of Clifton. I don't know the real truth about JPUSA, but given their tactics they pull with the residents with accusing them of hating poor people, nothing would surprise me.

Jon Trott, Uptown, Chicago // Tuesday, July 22, 2008 @ 3:24 PM

Luca/Luke, Reading your last post reminded me of how funny you were when I knew you. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing you when you didn't have a smile on or were outright laughing. I realize as a young guy (back then, anyway!) I probably wasn't very discerning of what your inner world was like. But man, you were (and still are) a funny guy. Re the "Luca's dead" rumor, I have to apologize for passing that on myself when I heard it years back. I think you and I squared that up when I saw you working at a Silo (?) near us some years ago. If not, though, I apologize here. If you aren't offended by a lot of Obama ra ra, come on over to my site and we can chat further there. By the way, one more memory from those days... I recall picking up the "Deac's phone" and hearing your very Italian mother say what she apparently said to anyone answering at JPUSA: "LemmeSpeakaLuca!" Blessings, Jon

nearby resident, Uptown // Wednesday, July 23, 2008 @ 7:52 AM

If it's not smoke coming from Jon Trott, it's a smoke screen. If you go to Jon's site, he has full control.

Mark Scheiderer, Ohio // Wednesday, July 23, 2008 @ 6:16 PM

Nearby Resident - He may have influence here as well. Everything I'm posting is being deleted. Perhaps it's because I'm all over the net tell the truth about this damnable cult and Trotty and the fools that control him don't like it, so they con people into squelching the "voices" of those who speak out about J-PUKE-A!

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